Need help identifying birel kart

kwarner86 · 04-11-2011, 01:19 AM

Hello everyone! I'm new to karts and I found this one for a good deal, but this guy is far away and he doesn't seem to know much about it. I was hoping maybe someone would know what model it is, I do know that it is a birel. Thank you for your help!!

Garry Lobaugh · 04-11-2011, 06:09 AM

This kart looks like it needs a loving new home. The condition is suspect as it is most likely an AR4 ( pre 2002) . In a case where a kart has been sitting and allowed to collect dust, your first challenge will be to check the brakes for proper function. Second will be axle, spindle and wheel bearings, and third will be the internals of the motor.

It all depends on your desire for a fixer up type kart. This is a kt 100 pipe motor with wet clutch. The kart is more suited for a light driver with such high horsepower ( 17 hp guess) on the kart. It would work for a junior driver with a different motor configuration. A KT 100 can for example.

It appears to have a 40 mm axle from what I can see.

As you note, there is no body work pictured and the front nose piece does not meet the intended application ( it looks like a cadet nose on a full size kart). All of these items can be fixed at a price.

You have to make a choice and often a low price does the job to get a new racer in karting. Bid low is my best advice.

kwarner86 · 04-11-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Garry Lobaugh

This kart looks like it needs a loving new home. The condition is suspect as it is most likely an AR4 ( pre 2002) . In a case where a kart has been sitting and allowed to collect dust, your first challenge will be to check the brakes for proper function. Second will be axle, spindle and wheel bearings, and third will be the internals of the motor.

It all depends on your desire for a fixer up type kart. This is a kt 100 pipe motor with wet clutch. The kart is more suited for a light driver with such high horsepower ( 17 hp guess) on the kart. It would work for a junior driver with a different motor configuration. A KT 100 can for example.

It appears to have a 40 mm axle from what I can see.

As you note, there is no body work pictured and the front nose piece does not meet the intended application ( it looks like a cadet nose on a full size kart). All of these items can be fixed at a price.

You have to make a choice and often a low price does the job to get a new racer in karting. Bid low is my best advice.

So this is a full size kart then? What makes a kart a junior kart?

How low would you advise to bid? I'm looking at $800. He said that it runs good and everything works, (of course I will confirm this) and it comes with the starter and alot of spare parts.

kwarner86 · 04-11-2011, 03:31 PM

Another point I should make is that I have always wanted to get into karts, but the funds were never there. I just happen to come across this one for a good deal. I do understand that it would be easier to get into the sport if I were to buy a used turnkey racer, but if I wait and do that it might never happen.

Marc Miller · 04-12-2011, 02:55 PM

Hi Warner-

A junior kart would likely be shorter wheelbase and a smaller tank. This is a full-size kart. The good thing is that we have all the parts necessary to "refurbish" it at a lower price as it is older inventory. Best bet is to identify all the parts Garry mentioned will be suspect - brake parts and bearings ESPECIALLY. These are the parts that suffer the most from sitting.

Be sure to go to www.BirelAmerica.com - go to the HOW TO section and find the brake identification portion. You will be able to identify the brake system on the kart, then you can contact steve in our office (269-756-9133 or steve@mrpmotorsport.com) and locate the parts you may need. You may also call to locate your closest Birel dealer as well and go through them.

This will give you a realistic final price to get this kart on-track and in safe workable condition!

Best of luck!

kwarner86 · 04-13-2011, 05:38 PM

I checked out the kart it says ar1 on the chassis, I can't seem to find alot of info about AR1's, but everything on the kart seems to be in good condition, bearings brakes etc.. I am really interested I hope this kart would be okay for me, I'm 5' 9" and 155lbs. I seem to fit good in the kart.

Garry Lobaugh · 04-14-2011, 06:52 AM

The AR1 proved to be very popular between 1994-1998 when we first started distributing the Birel product line. It is 2 inches narrower than the AR4. This kart is best suited for a 4 cycle kart. The narrow width does not guarantee stability for a bigger driver in the higher horsepower ( 17 HP pipe KT 100 pictured) My personal favorite for the 4 strike was the AR2 which was 1 " wider in the frame measurements.

The motor alone is worth $500 if it is good shape. This kart frame is best suited for lower horsepower engine packages.

04-11-2011, 01:19 AM	#1
kwarner86 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4	Need help identifying birel kart Hello everyone! I'm new to karts and I found this one for a good deal, but this guy is far away and he doesn't seem to know much about it. I was hoping maybe someone would know what model it is, I do know that it is a birel. Thank you for your help!!

04-12-2011, 02:55 PM	#5
Marc Miller Birel & Rotax Specialist Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 850	Hi Warner- A junior kart would likely be shorter wheelbase and a smaller tank. This is a full-size kart. The good thing is that we have all the parts necessary to "refurbish" it at a lower price as it is older inventory. Best bet is to identify all the parts Garry mentioned will be suspect - brake parts and bearings ESPECIALLY. These are the parts that suffer the most from sitting. Be sure to go to www.BirelAmerica.com - go to the HOW TO section and find the brake identification portion. You will be able to identify the brake system on the kart, then you can contact steve in our office (269-756-9133 or steve@mrpmotorsport.com) and locate the parts you may need. You may also call to locate your closest Birel dealer as well and go through them. This will give you a realistic final price to get this kart on-track and in safe workable condition! Best of luck! __________________ Marc Miller Director of Brand Development MRP Motorsport/Birel

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04-11-2011, 06:09 AM	#2
Garry Lobaugh MRP Motorsport - President Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,780	This kart looks like it needs a loving new home. The condition is suspect as it is most likely an AR4 ( pre 2002) . In a case where a kart has been sitting and allowed to collect dust, your first challenge will be to check the brakes for proper function. Second will be axle, spindle and wheel bearings, and third will be the internals of the motor. It all depends on your desire for a fixer up type kart. This is a kt 100 pipe motor with wet clutch. The kart is more suited for a light driver with such high horsepower ( 17 hp guess) on the kart. It would work for a junior driver with a different motor configuration. A KT 100 can for example. It appears to have a 40 mm axle from what I can see. As you note, there is no body work pictured and the front nose piece does not meet the intended application ( it looks like a cadet nose on a full size kart). All of these items can be fixed at a price. You have to make a choice and often a low price does the job to get a new racer in karting. Bid low is my best advice.

04-11-2011, 03:31 PM	#4
kwarner86 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4	Another point I should make is that I have always wanted to get into karts, but the funds were never there. I just happen to come across this one for a good deal. I do understand that it would be easier to get into the sport if I were to buy a used turnkey racer, but if I wait and do that it might never happen.

04-13-2011, 05:38 PM	#6
kwarner86 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4	I checked out the kart it says ar1 on the chassis, I can't seem to find alot of info about AR1's, but everything on the kart seems to be in good condition, bearings brakes etc.. I am really interested I hope this kart would be okay for me, I'm 5' 9" and 155lbs. I seem to fit good in the kart.

04-14-2011, 06:52 AM	#7
Garry Lobaugh MRP Motorsport - President Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,780	The AR1 proved to be very popular between 1994-1998 when we first started distributing the Birel product line. It is 2 inches narrower than the AR4. This kart is best suited for a 4 cycle kart. The narrow width does not guarantee stability for a bigger driver in the higher horsepower ( 17 HP pipe KT 100 pictured) My personal favorite for the 4 strike was the AR2 which was 1 " wider in the frame measurements. The motor alone is worth $500 if it is good shape. This kart frame is best suited for lower horsepower engine packages.